[tex2670]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

They have confused everyone including the people who actually own their cars

My wife constantly is asking if a car is a real M or a quasi M

To me, that says it all…

"Everyone" LOL.

Stop 10 people on the street and ask them "What's a BMW 'M' car?" and *maybe* 2 of them have any idea what you are talking about. True enthusiasts getting all bent out of shape over BMW watering down "M", just like all other manufacturers are doing with their performance branding, is just manufactured outrage and wasted energy. Get the car you want; let others get the car they want; let everyone enjoy their own car.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by tex2670

"Everyone" LOL.

Stop 10 people on the street and ask them "What's a BMW 'M' car?" and *maybe* 2 of them have any idea what you are talking about. True enthusiasts getting all bent out of shape over BMW watering down "M", just like all other manufacturers are doing with their performance branding, is just manufactured outrage and wasted energy. Get the car you want; let others get the car they want; let everyone enjoy their own car.

It doesn’t change reality

[Equilibrandt]

Originally Posted by Xplict

So how come the X1 keeps the dct but not the actual m cars???

X1 gets the DCT because it's a FWD-based AWD (Mini Platform)
M cars no longer get the DCT for a plethora of reasons, but here are my guesses:

• The shift smoothness of the ZF8 in manual and auto modes (suprisingly enough, people shelling out $80k+ often want a smooth automatic ride, only a small segment needed the crispy DCT shifts)
• The clunky downshifting of the DCT (which I love in my F80, mind you)
• DCTs were supreme for a while for shift speed, now the ZF8 is basically doing the same
• Lower-power cars with DCTs are quite reliable, but high-power-ready DCTs aren't as common anymore (see Porsche PDK and VW AG)
• Truthfully, I'm assuming the ZF8 is more efficient and more programmable, resulting in more software tuning potential.

[Quadruple VANOS]

BMW considers M Performance models M cars, so it makes perfect sense that they’d start including traditional M styling cues.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

BMW considers M Performance models M cars, so it makes perfect sense that they’d start including traditional M styling cues.

I believe they’re counted as the same

[banned]

Originally Posted by jmack123

In an age of shall we say interesting BMW designs, this is a really nice design inside and out.

Such an eloquent way of saying - "I can't believe they didn't fuck this up cuz they be fucking up a lot lately."

[Igor_M5]

I had so much feels for the spec and brochure that I wanted to express…

But after skipping some pages of replies…. My feels are FAR greater from seeing such diverse ”real bmw enthusiast “ audience here 😂 - some new level breed too 😑

Oh yeah… loving this X1, bringing back the N55 rwd 35i vibes.

• iDrive from the future for ID6 owners ✅
• DCT ✅
• Best M Steering wheel to date…. On roids ✅
• Boost button, send itt ✅
• Quad Tips, finally stop seeing butchered muffler deletes ✅
• Multi-Colored Caliper Options, yeah put that rattle can away ✅
• B46, bulletproof till 450? 550 Capable? With revised oil system? Bro.✅
• M-Mirrors, yes please, tired of seeing cheap Chinese trash everywhere, oem parts from max spec models, fuck yea, all day. ✅
• ——> NON-RFT. TFg.✅✅✅
• And finally… SEATS that every F8x owner wish they had (non-zcp(1337 speak) atleast) ✅

X1 M35i, I approve.

Bitches In here crying their emotions out for a car they don’t even intend to own. 😂

[Tomduck]

It’s not my kind of car/spec anymore but I can see the appeal, and I think it looks great, especially as at £45k base in the UK it’s not much over a mid range petrol version! I’m sure there will never be a proper fully blown X1 M, because imo that’s not the class of car a real “M” is about, SUVs are not and never can be full on sports cars…

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by Tomduck

It’s not my kind of car/spec anymore but I can see the appeal, and I think it looks great, especially as at £45k base in the UK it’s not much over a mid range petrol version! I’m sure there will never be a proper fully blown X1 M, because imo that’s not the class of car a real “M” is about, SUVs are not and never can be full on sports cars…

Completely agree but something tells me the owners of lots of X3-4-5-6 M Competition still feel they can sit up high and have a 'Real' M performance car. And BMW will sell it to them, X1 M, Mmmmm who knows.

[Tomduck]

I remember the first time I drove a proper M3 E46 and the original RS4, boy those were cars! My back is telling me they are non negotiable now, but I have my memories!

[JK479]

Originally Posted by JY01

Looks pretty good but the rear looks like a CRV

Wow.

BMW’s design though wins. Close call!

[FlashMonkey929]

Originally Posted by Tomduck

I remember the first time I drove a proper M3 E46 and the original RS4, boy those were cars! My back is telling me they are non negotiable now, but I have my memories!

Driving my bosses E46 M3 when he first got it was what made me interested in BMW's! I missed a deal on a great condition no sunroof 6 Spd in 2020 for $16,000 because I was more concerned with my business staying afloat during all the lockdowns.

[buckybadger]

Too expensive for what it offers. Maybe a good lease vehicle for a daily ride.
Gone are the days when we could buy a fully loaded 335i for the same or less price.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

Too expensive for what it offers. Maybe a good lease vehicle for a daily ride.

Too expensive as compared to what other vehicle(s)?

[tex2670]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

Too expensive as compared to what other vehicle(s)?

His 335 that topped out at $60K..... 15 years ago....

[Spectremotorsports]

I'm curious if the US will get these seats, since BMW USA hates us having any sort of option availability on the smaller cars in the range.

Definitely still not salty about the lack of M sport seats and Merino leather in my G01....

[tex2670]

Originally Posted by Spectremotorsports

I'm curious if the US will get these seats, since BMW USA hates us having any sort of option availability on the smaller cars in the range.

Definitely still not salty about the lack of M sport seats and Merino leather in my G01....

They are available in the M235 Gran Coupe in the US. If they weren't going to be available on the X1 M35i in the US, they wouldn't highlight the option so prominently in their initial marketing push.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

Too expensive as compared to what other vehicle(s)?

Yeah and BMWs. Overpriced SAV, go get ‘em boy!!!

[abirmaher]

Anyone know when we might start seeing allocations for these?

[tex2670]

Originally Posted by abirmaher

Anyone know when we might start seeing allocations for these?

I would guess the same time you see allocations for the '24 MY X1 in general

[abirmaher]

Originally Posted by tex2670

I would guess the same time you see allocations for the '24 MY X1 in general

That would make sense. Thanks!

[Spectremotorsports]

Originally Posted by tex2670

They are available in the M235 Gran Coupe in the US. If they weren't going to be available on the X1 M35i in the US, they wouldn't highlight the option so prominently in their initial marketing push.

Oh that’s cool, that gives me some hope for the next gen X3