10-09-2015, 05:16 PM | #1 |
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Vs. 911 GT3
US M4 - $63,200
UK M4 - $87,400 (57,055 GBP) DE M4 - $82,300 (72,500 EUR) UK M4 GTS - $186,500 (121,700 GBP) DE M4 GTS - $166,100 (146,200 EUR) I'm guessing M4 GTS will be around $125,000-130,000 USD in the US which is about the same as 911 GT3. Moderator Edit: Good guess, and very close: $134,200 |
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With that said 911 GT3 or M4 GTS ?! Hmmm I would take the GTS.
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3,150 lbs 475hp GT3 (or 3,000 lbs 500hp GT3-RS) will run circles around M4-GTS. For a purpose build track car, GT3 all the way. For dual purpose car - M3/4, alas, once you install cages, dual purpose goes out the window. Quote:
There are some very cool features in GTS that I want (water injection, seats), but not at 2x the price. And not at the expense of the rear seat. If giving up the rear seat and dual nature of the M3/4 was not an objection, then it would be GT3 all the way for me... a
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However, all things being equal (similar HP, torque, suspension prep, tires, driver), a 3500 lbs car (GTS) will not keep up with a 3100 lbs car (GT3) for long. Quote:
Unfortunately, the price point and product spec vaults it into an entirely another category of track warrior cars. That extra weight will require WAY more of a HP compensation than what the water tank provides. How long before BMW starts boring out that 3.0L to 3.2+L ... ? a
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M4 GTS - 7:28 Nurburgring lap time 991 GT3 - 7:32 Nurburgring lap time The GTS seems more than capable of hanging with the GT3 over a long track like the Nurburgring at least http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/s...29.html?show=2 |
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https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/ GT3-RS in 7:20 http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...-and-info-news But those times are still pretty close to GTS time. The really interesting question is: on what tires were those times set? M4 GTS and GT3-RS were on Michelin Pilot Cups 2's = R comps. Not sure about base GT3. a
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And don't forget that the area under the curve for both hp and torque is more important than just looking at a peak number for both HP and torque... And the GTS has 600Nm of torque vs 440Nm for the GT3... |
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991 GT3: 1505kg/475ps = 3.1684kg/ps M4 GTS: 1585kg/500ps = 3.1700kg/ps Further, considering that the S55 is turbocharged, the M4 GTS has a beefier power curve and puts down more average power that the GT3 does. The cars are very evenly matched. That being said, for the price, I would likely still pick the GT3 as it has been a dream car of mine for so long .
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The C&D link states 7:20 (no source provided) and claims that the RS is 5s quicker than the GT3. If correct, the GT3 should be 7:25 so slightly quicker than the GTS. I'd still say that being so close to the GT3 and GT3 RS is super impressive Have Porsche officially announced the 7:20 and 7:25 times anywhere? If not then the time we have confirmation of for the GT3 is the Sport Auto 7:32 time... But we will probably know more if and when Sport Auto does a Supertest of the GTS since we then can compare to confirmed independently set lap times |
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That is irrelevant though, it all depends at what RPM those N-m are generated .
But I agree about your point about the beefier power curve of the GTS.
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So how much longer of a "race" would you need to have any appreciable difference between the two?? Just curious because the objective data is completely contrary to your claim above. Also - the weight of the M4 GTS is under 3350 lbs (without driver) - so the weight difference vs. the GT3 and GT3 RS is not as profound as you claim... |
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Emissions are lower with smaller engines and with performance cars this is a real issue. In the US if you don't make certain levels you can't sell your car in the US (unless you game the system as well as if you don't certain mpg, you have to tack on extra taxes. The other reason is also about taxes but this time, import taxes. Many countries charge different rates for importing a foreign car and that is sometimes tied to the cc of the motor with =>3000cc being line. In some cases the import tax can add another 10%+ of the car price in tax. In some Asian countries this $120USD car would be $346k at 2990cc and $394k at 3000cc+. So they just don't even sell in those countries and BMW is a global brand and they want to sell their cars wherever customer live.
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And emissions and taxation are valid points. However seems AMG still is able to sell and export their AMG models with a 4.0l V8... The 2015 C63 AMG even has a lower CO2 emissions rating than the M4 (192g/km vs 199g/km)... BTW. Import taxes can add MUCH more than 10% to the value of the car... My line of work is to do with vehicle approvals in Europe and Norway. Here in Norway import taxes can easily double the price of some cars. Denmark is the same. Many Asian countries also have extreme taxation on vehicles. Last edited by Boss330; 10-10-2015 at 11:16 AM.. |
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The M4 GTS seems more collectible and resale will be strong just like the GT3. The M4 GTS is a pure enthusiast car and made for someone who can track it to enjoy, but to the masses it will seem like a "fast and furious" 3 series. The Porsche on the other hand brings the same track credentials, will hold great resale, and can pull up anywhere and even soccer moms will take note, not that I care but the GT3 makes me seriously rubber neck. I'd choose the GT3. |
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Wow, so the water injection makes it more fuel efficient. Whey don't they add that to the stock M3/M4. We probably get close to 30mpg
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I love the looks of my M4 the sounds has to grow on you. The GT3 sound is unreal, and just mean. With limit production of the M4 if it taps 200k I wouldn't touch it .....actually the look it not a looker, and that wing is terrible. Less than. 1000 units it will possible be a collectible, but I buy cars to drive and could care less about resale. As I have said before M4 GTS go for a used 458!
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I've driven the GT3 on the track - and holy scheit!!! It sounds amazing between 7000-9000 rpm at full throttle!!!
But - I would still take the GTS over the GT3 - only because the GTS is more limited in production, much more unique looking, and offers what appears to be the same level of performance for approximately the same price (need a raise at work first though)... |
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