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02-23-2016, 06:09 PM | #1 |
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If the DCT GTS tune is so good, why don't we have it from the factory?
Just curious of some others thoughts here.
If the GTS DCT tune is so good, why didn't BMW ever start using it from the factory for all of the DCT cars? Is there some risk that I am unaware of? |
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http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...1&postcount=26 Also faster shift speeds should mean less friction and therefore less heat if I understand the wet clutch setup correctly |
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I can say for sure that under stressful track conditions, eventually you'll get heat soak and you'll start to feel sluggish upshifts/downshifts. This is with a DCT tune. Never have any problems on the street.
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I have never experienced DCT sluggishness on the track, even during 30 minute sessions. My car is bone stock. Why would the tuned software cause that sort of problem? Are you suggesting it generates additional heat because of the faster shifts? Your car is modified so it's apples-to-oranges.
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It's a balance between reliability, drivability, and performance. The GTS software is more aggressive. That equates to better performance, but at the expense of drivability and reliability. GTS owners may be using their cars on the track more often than a standard M3 owner, so they're willing to sacrifice drivability and reliability to get that extra bit of performance. I think it also comes down to BMW wanting the GTS to be just a little bit better than a regular M3, so they dial everything up to 11. If I paid all of that extra money, I'd want it to be noticeably different.
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Yes, it doesn't happen often, and only on certain tracks where there are a lot of turns which require frequent gear changes. I'm not blaming the tune, necessarily. This has happened to me at Buttonwillow and Thunderhill a couple times. I am talking about > 1-5 seconds between pressing the lever and getting a reaction. I will definitely be investing in a DCT cooler upgrade.
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Not sure why my mods would make a difference other than raising the engine temp a little more meaning the coolant is hotter etc, and the heat exchanger isn't working as effectively. My engine temps are < 250 and my water coolant temps ~ 185 (when the sensor works, lol). |
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What DCT fluid do you have, and how old is it? Is the filter still original?
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my understanding, not only DCT but with other Dual clutch autos, firmer shifts causing less friction = equal less heat and wear
Isn't the GTS tune only making the shifts a bit faster? I'm actually thinking getting the alpine GTS tune |
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Faster and less jerky both upshifting and downshifting. Also, going into reverse is instant as opposed to having a bit of lag time in between.
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is still snappy at WOT? I don't want to necessarily be smoother , i like that nice kick when i shift. I'm on the euro DCT tune... is it noticeable upgrade?
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The best metaphor I have heard is that it basically moves everything up one DriveLogic notch. So the new "5" now feels like the factory "6" (the mode that's available when DSC is disengaged). It's not an insane difference, but it should be noticeable.
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GTS also holds about a liter more fluid...which is why our GTS DCT flash is modified to compensate for that, or so I was told.
DCT in our car actually prefers to be driven hard, it's the stop and go driving that cause everything to heat up and you get problems, like when I lost all odd gears. |
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It still lunges you forward when up-shifting at high RPMs, which I'm a big fan of .
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the one where it starts in D1 with 2 bars. |
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As I understand it, the Euro DCT software doesn't shift any faster, it just has some usability tweaks like starting in D versus M.
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