SHMEE 150 F90 M5 Test Drive

[FANBMWM]

[2016-M5]

very nice, but so gutted its the same engine.... again !!!

[hirkaismyname]

I might be a minority in my thoughts here, but I'm pretty impressed with the car. More HP, lighter than the F10, AND allows the NE folks to enjoy their vehicles year-round, AND the SE folks to drift "sensibly" through town during torrential months. The more test drives I watch, the more I want this car; and the glowing tinder for getting a used '16 F10 m5 or m6 GC + MCCB + CP + B&O is slowly withering. dammit.

[Greer]

Yes, I like the car also. There seem to be a lot of people who are pre judging the car before they drive it. When the F10 M5 came out many years ago I went to Sevilla Spain for the first group test drive and I hope to do the same with this car.

[RPiM5]

I'm not judging the car at all. I know it is going to be fantastic. I just personally feel disappointed with the car based on features of the car that don't have everything to do with how it actually drives. Such as the exhaust note. Another 7 years of the same S63xx engine exhaust note (until the next generation M5 comes out in 2025 with yet another version of the S63xx engine combined with a hybrid electric drivetrain setup, then we'll have to listen to it again for another 7 years), I just can't spend another $100 grand on it for that reason. At least not right away.

The car will drive amazingly though, many people will love it, many people will buy it, many people will destroy a Stock R35 Nissan GT-R with it. Just not me. I will continue to enjoy my heavy F10 while I pursue other exotic car projects and until the LCi F90 M5 comes out with the Competition Package. And I'm getting the Rear Seat Entertainment next time dammit! Haha!

[allmotor_2000]

The F10 was leaps and bounds ahead of the E60 from a performance standpoint. The F90 isn't. It does however bring something the F10 sorely lacked... traction. So power will be much more usable. The F90 is gonna get beat up bad on what most people end up using this car which is highway pulls vs the modded F10's. The engine limits appear to be the same so F90 won't make any more power than the F10. Plus it's only 90lbs lighter. It's yet to be seen if the ZF can match the DCT from a shift-speed perspective and power transfer through gears.

The tech is >> F10 but with so much tech comes a whole mess of challenges for those who wish to mod.

Stock for stock the F90 >> F10.... no question.

I will never again buy an M5 < 2 years old - depreciation is not worth it.

[2016-M5]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

The F10 was leaps and bounds ahead of the E60 from a performance standpoint. The F90 isn't. It does however bring something the F10 sorely lacked... traction.

i solved all my traction issues with a set of R888R's, otherwise i'd be queuing up for the F90...

At 21 psi + 80/20 Meth & DP's i get 100% traction everytime from 2nd gear onwards, and sometimes 1st if tires really warm

Was going to buy a TrackHawk this xmas, but drove an SRT at the weekend and was very disappointed. Think ill keep my F10 and just uprate the rods and pistons and keep heading towards 1000 BHP !!

F10 is king still !!!!

[E90potentialbuyer]

I have been thinking long and hard about what to get next. Def a M2. For the family sedan - I think the new M5 still has others beat. I sat in the new 550 xdrive M. Interior looks quite good. Rear legroom seems to have gone up a while. So it ticks those boxes as a family sedan.

I really have no qualms with the current engine. It has been reliable and potent. But I understand the gripes that BMW is trying to squeeze out as much as it can from current R&D. Reminds me of iPhone 7 and iPhone 6. Not revolutionary but evolutionary. However, having AWD in it is the game changer. My M5 is always struggling for traction if it is anything but bone dry. So this would be great.

I hope the exhaust note is better this time around. I want the pops and crackles. Can't really tell from the videos if it has it.

I do wish they have comp package as an option from the get go. Else I will not be ordering a new M5 until they come out with it.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

The F10 was leaps and bounds ahead of the E60 from a performance standpoint. The F90 isn't. It does however bring something the F10 sorely lacked... traction. So power will be much more usable. The F90 is gonna get beat up bad on what most people end up using this car which is highway pulls vs the modded F10's. The engine limits appear to be the same so F90 won't make any more power than the F10. Plus it's only 90lbs lighter. It's yet to be seen if the ZF can match the DCT from a shift-speed perspective and power transfer through gears.

The tech is >> F10 but with so much tech comes a whole mess of challenges for those who wish to mod.

Stock for stock the F90 >> F10.... no question.

I will never again buy an M5 < 2 years old - depreciation is not worth it.

You might be on to something actually.

The initial reviews I read from the Press Reports reported the F90 M5 being a staggering 220lbs lighter than the F10 M5 this is with the added 140lbs from the M xDrive system. However automobilemag.com is reporting only a 77lbs drop in weight from the F10 M5. It also says torque is at 553lbs/ft where other articles reports only 516lbs/ft. There is some obvious irregularities in reporting and it will be difficult to determine the actual curb weight, power, and torque until the official BMW Press Release which I suppose is coming out this summer or during the Frankfurt Autoshow. If the F90 M5 is truly only about 90lbs lighter than the F10 M5, that is almost negligible. Rule of thumb is every 100lbs equals 10hp or a full 1 second off of a lap time. There is still no word on what the doors are made out of, or the hood or the trunk. If they are anything other than aluminum then I will be sorely disappointed.

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/pr...e-2018-bmw-m5/

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by 2016-M5

i solved all my traction issues with a set of R888R's, otherwise i'd be queuing up for the F90...

At 21 psi + 80/20 Meth & DP's i get 100% traction everytime from 2nd gear onwards, and sometimes 1st if tires really warm

Was going to buy a TrackHawk this xmas, but drove an SRT at the weekend and was very disappointed. Think ill keep my F10 and just uprate the rods and pistons and keep heading towards 1000 BHP !!

F10 is king still !!!!

Indeed there is still a way to get the RWD M5 to get traction. AWD may be considered the lazy way of getting it done. For something that wears an ///M badge, I've always equated that to the Porsche GT3/GT3RS class of cars and not the 911 Turbo AWD class of car. Times are changing though.

[M eyedoc]

I just want a place for a spare tire!

[allmotor_2000]

Originally Posted by 2016-M5

i solved all my traction issues with a set of R888R's, otherwise i'd be queuing up for the F90...

At 21 psi + 80/20 Meth & DP's i get 100% traction everytime from 2nd gear onwards, and sometimes 1st if tires really warm

Was going to buy a TrackHawk this xmas, but drove an SRT at the weekend and was very disappointed. Think ill keep my F10 and just uprate the rods and pistons and keep heading towards 1000 BHP !!

F10 is king still !!!!

Then you aren't making enough power... R888's didn't do anything for me. With the right tires I got 2.5s 0-60 with a 1.57 60-foot at the drag strip... lets see the F90 beat that.

[2016-M5]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

Then you aren't making enough power... R888's didn't do anything for me. With the right tires I got 2.5s 0-60 with a 1.57 60-foot at the drag strip... lets see the F90 beat that.

What tires did you use, must be a drag version? ive found the R888R's to be night and day compared to any other Michelin etc, im def not at your power level yet though

[allmotor_2000]

Originally Posted by 2016-M5

What tires did you use, must be a drag version? ive found the R888R's to be night and day compared to any other Michelin etc, im def not at your power level yet though

Don't get me wrong, R888's are WAYYY better than stock... but if you want to really hook, need Mickey Thompsons

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

The F10 was leaps and bounds ahead of the E60 from a performance standpoint. The F90 isn't. It does however bring something the F10 sorely lacked... traction. So power will be much more usable. The F90 is gonna get beat up bad on what most people end up using this car which is highway pulls vs the modded F10's. The engine limits appear to be the same so F90 won't make any more power than the F10. Plus it's only 90lbs lighter. It's yet to be seen if the ZF can match the DCT from a shift-speed perspective and power transfer through gears.

The tech is >> F10 but with so much tech comes a whole mess of challenges for those who wish to mod.

Stock for stock the F90 >> F10.... no question.

I will never again buy an M5 < 2 years old - depreciation is not worth it.

sorry you learned the hardway.

But then again, any six figure M or AMG is the same shit

[2016-M5]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

Don't get me wrong, R888's are WAYYY better than stock... but if you want to really hook, need Mickey Thompsons

Ah ok, i figured Toyo best around but to hear there are tires even better is mind blowing, can they be used to daily drive or is that a stupid idea?

[BinH]

Originally Posted by 2016-M5

Ah ok, i figured Toyo best around but to hear there are tires even better is mind blowing, can they be used to daily drive or is that a stupid idea?

The MT's would royally suck in the rain... royally.

[carrera2RSL]

Be interesting to see how the car performs next to an F10 with modded suspension and perhaps and engine tweak.

Sounds like they have improved the feel which is a great win. For me the F10 CP was still a bit lacking in steering feel. Now with KW V3, Dinan roll bars and a lot of work with bump and rebound settings, camber and tracking adjustments I'm happy. I expect the new car to be 'nicer' to drive hard than the original, but I suspect I'd prefer my car to the new for driving hard on UK roads.

I don't have a comfort option, with fixed damper settings but for me the CP was a little too soft in all but Sport + and still rolled too much

I won't be buying a new one.

PS Not sure Shmee can drive that well !

[allmotor_2000]

Originally Posted by 2016-M5

Ah ok, i figured Toyo best around but to hear there are tires even better is mind blowing, can they be used to daily drive or is that a stupid idea?

lol don't drive in the rain!!

[greentrbo95gst]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

The F10 was leaps and bounds ahead of the E60 from a performance standpoint. The F90 isn't. It does however bring something the F10 sorely lacked... traction. So power will be much more usable. The F90 is gonna get beat up bad on what most people end up using this car which is highway pulls vs the modded F10's. The engine limits appear to be the same so F90 won't make any more power than the F10. Plus it's only 90lbs lighter. It's yet to be seen if the ZF can match the DCT from a shift-speed perspective and power transfer through gears.

The tech is >> F10 but with so much tech comes a whole mess of challenges for those who wish to mod.

Stock for stock the F90 >> F10.... no question.

I will never again buy an M5 < 2 years old - depreciation is not worth it.

The rwd only mode should be able to compete against the f10 on the highway. I thought about depreciation as well and going with the used option, but on the other hand, European Delivery makes it worth it to me and having my family enjoy 2-3 weeks in EU. I would also want to wait for the comp package and may have to get rid of a car or two from my stable.

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

You might be on to something actually.

The initial reviews I read from the Press Reports reported the F90 M5 being a staggering 220lbs lighter than the F10 M5 this is with the added 140lbs from the M xDrive system. However automobilemag.com is reporting only a 77lbs drop in weight from the F10 M5. It also says torque is at 553lbs/ft where other articles reports only 516lbs/ft. There is some obvious irregularities in reporting and it will be difficult to determine the actual curb weight, power, and torque until the official BMW Press Release which I suppose is coming out this summer or during the Frankfurt Autoshow. If the F90 M5 is truly only about 90lbs lighter than the F10 M5, that is almost negligible. Rule of thumb is every 100lbs equals 10hp or a full 1 second off of a lap time. There is still no word on what the doors are made out of, or the hood or the trunk. If they are anything other than aluminum then I will be sorely disappointed.

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/pr...e-2018-bmw-m5/

I have always been saying the weight loss will be negligible. Whatever the weight loss from the new chassis will be added back with new goodies and features. But I still consider job well done if BMW were able the add AWD while keeping the weight close to F10.

[allmotor_2000]

Originally Posted by greentrbo95gst

The rwd only mode should be able to compete against the f10 on the highway. I thought about depreciation as well and going with the used option, but on the other hand, European Delivery makes it worth it to me and having my family enjoy 2-3 weeks in EU. I would also want to wait for the comp package and may have to get rid of a car or two from my stable.

Do it man... need some local people with the ballz to mod