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05-21-2006, 07:47 AM | #1 |
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BMW 2-series engine lineup speculation
Ok here's my very unscientific prediction of what engines the 2 series coupe will get:
228i - gets the same engine as the e92 328i 230i/235i - gets the same twin turbo engine as e92 335i M2 - S54 M3 engine (engine from e46 M3) I basically just took the 3-series e90/e92 lineup and made the 2-series lineup mirror it (except for the M2 engine) so I'm probably wrong in some cases. :biggrin: There's gotta be a cheaper option than what I'm guessing too. Anyways, everyone take your guesses and when the actual lineup is released we can look back and see who was right :biggrin: |
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I wonder if the twin turbo engine from the 335i would actually be the M engine in this car. From what I know of that engine so far, I really love it (and the S54 is a bit of a gas hog). If they do go with that range, I think I might opt for the twin turbo over the M. |
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05-21-2006, 08:26 AM | #3 |
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Sounds good except for the 235i, I wonder if they will put a 300hp standard engine in the car bewcause what would the M2 offer? I'd think the S54 would be a good M engine for this car, in that case mayubee the top car in the standard range should house the 3.0l non-tubo engines at 265hp
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M should always be non turbo.
3.5 twin turbo doesn t belong into the one /two series. I would do it like this. 230di with 272 hp. M2 with 320hp 6cil lightweight engine with 8250 rpm. 340hp m2 csl. |
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This is what I posted in another thread, source for the info is someone who has been fairly accurate on BMW plans in the past:
Whilst Europe are expecting a range of engines similar to the 1er the US markets will receive a 223i and a 235i. The Baby ///M car when it arrives will use an engine developed from the WTCC car only with six cylinders and close to over 300 BHP. |
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As long as at least one variation has 250+ HP, I think I can live with that in a small, tight, rear wheel drive coupe.
Any ideas on weight? Can we expect the coupe design to shave a few pounds off the 5 door 1-series? I'd like to see it come in under 3000 lbs. |
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My take would be a little different. My sense it BMW will come out with a model range mimicking the 3ers, 220i: 185 bhp, 225i: 215 bhp and 230i M sport: 265 bhp.
It wouldn't even surprise me if they went down a notch and put the new 4 turbo from the Mini Cooper S (180 bhp) into an affordable base model. Let's not forget, they need to keep prices in check with the 3-series. |
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125i- 3.0-liter "standard" N52 engine from 325i- 215 hp, base trim or optional sport package. 130i- 3.0-liter high-output N52 engine from 330i- 265 hp, probably available only in M Sport trim (18" wheels, body kit, sport seats). I wouldn't expect to see the N54 (twin-turbo) motor in a 1 Series, at least not from BMW directly. No doubt one will find its way in there soon enough! Also, we won't see any more 4-cylinder cars from BMW in North America, even with turbocharging. |
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I wouldn't expect to see the N54 (twin-turbo) motor in a 1 Series, at least not from BMW directly. quote] worldcarfans.com is showing today what they say are spy photos of a 135ti. hope it's true! |
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The telling bit is this picture: It shows what looks to be a front-and-center intercooler, just like the 335i: That would certainly make one hell of an M car!
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Bring it on! I love that engine. Not quite as powerful as the M engine, but also not as much of a gas hog and lighter (I think - though I'd love to get any actual weight values from anyone who knows). |
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Remember that 300 hp/300 lb-ft is stock. I'm sure it will only be a simple matter of a chip to take that to 330-350 horsepower. BMW showed a Z4 Racer with a 400 hp/400 lb-ft version at Geneva earlier this year.
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Any idea what the weight of the new V-8 going into the M3 will be? There's something about a V-8 going in an M3 that rubs me the wrong way, but I guess if they can keep the weight down, it should be okay. |
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N52- 3.0-liter n/a six in E90 325i/330i sedans and wagons, E92 328i coupe, and current 130i M52- 2.5- to 3.0-liter n/a straight six in E46 3 Series, X5, etc. Quote:
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Cool! Thanks! Now if you're not sick of answering questions yet, do you have a weight for the engine in the E46 M3 and current M coupe? I think I've heard that it's got a steel block to withstand the stress, so I'm assuming it's heavier than the N52 (unless they've been able to save weight in other ways.
I'm hoping the 1 (or 2) series will be fairly light weight, so I might be willing to give up some power to keep weight down. From the numbers you've posted, it seems like the N52 is the lightest option. I could probably live with 255/265 HP if they could keep the weight under 3000 lbs. I got real excited when I saw that low weight coupe experiment. I'm hoping they'll incorporate some weigh saving techniques in this model. I love the carbon fiber roofs on the M6 and (rumored) M3. Those kind of innovations are more "BMW" to me than just adding more and more HP. |
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WHen BMW puts the new N54 TT engine into the 1 series it will basicly trounce the sector, its basicly an M level engine in a non M car, hopefully BMW brings the engine to the car sooner rather then later so it has ample time to set its mark
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