My Alignment and Corner Balance Numbers

rsmamg · 01-12-2010, 11:30 PM

Got my car aligned at West End in LA. Good experience. Here are the numbers.
I am on OE 19s and tires with KW variant 3's.

Front:
Left Camber: -1.5
Right Camber: -1.5

Left Caster: 7.0
Right Caster: 6.5 (must have hit a pothole)

Toe In: 1/16 in = 0.0625

Rear:
Left Camber: -1.75
Right Camber: -1.75

Toe In: 1/8 in = 0.125

GTM · 01-13-2010, 09:20 AM

stock suspension and stock OD tires?

rsmamg · 01-13-2010, 12:00 PM

Oops didn't mention that. OE 19s and tires with KWv3. Thanks.

aus · 01-13-2010, 03:33 PM

How much did they charge for that?
It's suppose to be a very good shop.

rsmamg · 01-13-2010, 03:47 PM

For the alignment and corner balance it cost me $250

L-Altos · 01-13-2010, 06:24 PM

Except for the rear camber, those are very similar to the numbers from my recent alignment:

Front:
Left Camber: -1.5
Right Camber: -1.5

Left Caster: 7.3
Right Caster: 7.1
Toe In: 1/16 in = 0.0625

Rear:
Left Camber: -1.7
Right Camber: -1.7

Toe In: 1/8 in = 0.125

The general consensus in my post was that the toe was at max, and should probably be closer to zero in front.

I just put on springs, but our toe numbers are identical. Did you ask for that much toe, or did they just do the alignment and it turned out that way?

Radiation Joe · 01-13-2010, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsmamg

Got my car aligned at West End in LA. Good experience. Here are the numbers.
I am on OE 19s and tires with KW variant 3's.

Front:
Left Camber: -1.5
Right Camber: -1.5

Left Caster: 7.0
Right Caster: 6.5 (must have hit a pothole)

Toe In: 1/16 in = 0.0625

Rear:
Left Camber: -1.75
Right Camber: -1.75

Toe In: 1/8 in = 0.125

I'm calling BS on the corner weight numbers. Too perfect. Did you watch them do the work?

rsmamg · 01-13-2010, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radiation Joe

I'm calling BS on the corner weight numbers. Too perfect. Did you watch them do the work?

No, I was in the car while he was doing the corner balance.

Radiation Joe · 01-17-2010, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsmamg

No, I was in the car while he was doing the corner balance.

I'm sure your corner balance is ok. It's just that a good shop will show you the numbers and they won't work out perfectly (they never do). Then they'll explain why. A not so good shop will fudge the numbers so you don't ask any questions and they can get you out the door. Your car is probably balanced just fine. I just think they fudged the numbers. But now you don't know how close they actually got it.

rsmamg · 01-17-2010, 02:54 PM

i see what you are saying.. ill ask around and maybe give the guy a call to see whats up. thanks for the advice.

Alias · 01-17-2010, 03:16 PM

Darren is the best. That's why the numbers are perfect

akina335 · 01-17-2010, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Alias

Darren is the best. That's why the numbers are perfect

This is true. Had my E46 M3 corner balanced and aligned there with excellent results. The man knows what he's doing. Night and day difference.

rsmamg · 01-17-2010, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akina335

This is true. Had my E46 M3 corner balanced and aligned there with excellent results. The man knows what he's doing. Night and day difference.

and that is precisely why i went to him.

endofanera7 · 01-25-2010, 07:12 PM

I recently got my alignment done by Darin at West End as well. Incredibly cool guy.He did the alignment with me sitting in the car and it took like more than an hour.

On my way home, I get to test it throughout on the freeway etc. I notice that when holding my steering wheel, the car goes perfectly straight. But as soon as I let the steering go, my car will go to the right almost 95% of the time within 2 seconds. What do you guys think is the problem?

I did called and asked him about it but he said he cant do much with adjusting the casters since I dont have any aftermarket camber plates and suspension etc. My car is dropped with H&R Springs and that's all.

Thanks for any help!

JCtx · 01-25-2010, 08:28 PM

What is 'corner balance'? All OP posted was alignment specs (camber, caster, toe). Am I missing something? Thx.

smmmurf · 01-25-2010, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elp_jc

What is 'corner balance'? All OP posted was alignment specs (camber, caster, toe). Am I missing something? Thx.

The cross weights in the picture in the original post are the corner balance results... you generally want those to be 50% unless you are on an oval or a road course that heavily favors one direction.

Read: http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Performa...nerbalance.htm

Bob MG · 02-06-2010, 10:22 AM

I installed V3s as well and had corner weights done.
My results were spot on square within about 3-5 kgs difference on all four corners. I would be interested to know how you set you ride height, as this is possibly why your fronts are heavier?

The guys who set up for me, said something about getting it perfect if they make up a custom sway bar set up?? I'm not sure, but not likely you would get as perfect as you without this?

Let me know the ride height, pics would help to.
You can see my set up pics on this thread
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=346061

kenwelch · 02-06-2010, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elp_jc

What is 'corner balance'? All OP posted was alignment specs (camber, caster, toe). Am I missing something? Thx.

Here also is from an older thread with Swamps car on the scales. The pictures show the scales and numbers. Note: driver was not in car and only 1/4 tank of gas.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...=151217&page=2

see post #27

gr8000 · 02-10-2010, 08:39 AM

What are the stock alignment specs on (stock) 19"?

kenwelch · 02-10-2010, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gr8000

What are the stock alignment specs on (stock) 19"?

32 00 Wheel Alignment E92 / M3 Series
Observe test conditions
Front axle:
Total toe
0° 10' ± 8'
Camber (difference between left/right max. 30') - 1° 10' ± 20'
Toe angle difference (difference between left/right max. 30')
- with 20° lock on inside wheel -2° 14' ± 30'
Caster angle (difference between left/right max. 30')
Front wheel displacement 0° ± 15'
Maximum wheel lock
- Inside wheel approx. ° 39° 06'
- Outside wheel approx. ° 30° 11'
Rear axle:
Total toe 0° 10' ± 5'
Camber (difference between left/right max. 30') - 1° 45' ± 12'
Geometrical axis deviation 0° 4'

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rsmamg Flying First Class 30 Rep 582 Posts Drives: M Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: CA iTrader: (0)	My Alignment and Corner Balance Numbers Got my car aligned at West End in LA. Good experience. Here are the numbers. I am on OE 19s and tires with KW variant 3's. Front: Left Camber: -1.5 Right Camber: -1.5 Left Caster: 7.0 Right Caster: 6.5 (must have hit a pothole) Toe In: 1/16 in = 0.0625 Rear: Left Camber: -1.75 Right Camber: -1.75 Toe In: 1/8 in = 0.125 Attached Images Last edited by rsmamg; 01-13-2010 at 11:59 AM..
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L-Altos Private 6 Rep 91 Posts Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Illinois iTrader: (0)	Except for the rear camber, those are very similar to the numbers from my recent alignment: Front: Left Camber: -1.5 Right Camber: -1.5 Left Caster: 7.3 Right Caster: 7.1 Toe In: 1/16 in = 0.0625 Rear: Left Camber: -1.7 Right Camber: -1.7 Toe In: 1/8 in = 0.125 The general consensus in my post was that the toe was at max, and should probably be closer to zero in front. I just put on springs, but our toe numbers are identical. Did you ask for that much toe, or did they just do the alignment and it turned out that way?
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