New 3" Intake and 3" Charge Pipe

[Kämpä]

I could not find an intake or charge pipe that i felt was right so i designed my own! Let me know what you think!

Intake is all 3" till the connection and has two 3" K&N Filters, powder coated wrinkle black.

Charge pipe is all 3" with Tial BOV, also powder coated wrinkle black.

I would be willing to offer these products to anyone interested!

[A_Squared]

looks good, similar to the injen setup....how they workin out for you?

[nishan777]

Awesome initiative mate

Put out some dyno figures on the difference it has made (albeit negligible) but at least instill faith in people that it works and the overall impact is positive.

[Kämpä]

Originally Posted by A_Squared

looks good, similar to the injen setup....how they workin out for you?

Although it may look similar to the Injen ones to you, they are actually very different. Injen uses 2.25" tubing and merges it late in the pipe to 3". If you look at mine they are 3" all the way to the point of connection on the plastic tubing. Also, their front pipe sits futher back than the rear pipe, mine are vice versa which does not change the performance at all, but allows you to not have to relocate the power steering reservoir like the Injens.

[Kämpä]

Originally Posted by nishan777

Awesome initiative mate

Put out some dyno figures on the difference it has made (albeit negligible) but at least instill faith in people that it works and the overall impact is positive.

I will try and get some numbers. I had the BMS intakes on before i designed these and i can tell you that i noticed a HUGE difference in the two. Mine are extremely responsive and allows the turbos to spool much quicker and easier. I knew i would notice a differnence in the two, but it was a huge difference.

[135kev]

Very interesting 👌 shouldn't the TB side of the charge pipe have knurl in it ? How much you selling them for?

[JPodo]

You may have increased the intake piping that you built but it's still going into the rest of the intake tubing to the turbo that is still stock size. I wouldn't think there would be any gains over changing the size of this short piece of intake. Looks good though!

[Kämpä]

Originally Posted by JPodo

You may have increased the intake piping that you built but it's still going into the rest of the intake tubing to the turbo that is still stock size. I wouldn't think there would be any gains over changing the size of this short piece of intake. Looks good though!

That may be your initial thought, however, when it comes to the filter you are breathing though a 3" opening in the filter vs. a 2.25" opening in the filter. Also the larger diameter and length of the piping allows faster spool and less lag.

[P90Puma]

Show before and after of intake gains (versus stock and BMS) and you might have some customers!

[Kämpä]

Originally Posted by P90Puma

Show before and after of intake gains (versus stock and BMS) and you might have some customers!

I will do my best to get numbers. But, i feel its safe to say its the best breathing intake for the N54 platform!

[nacaruh]

Yes, please let us know. I'm definitely interested in purchasing one!
That looks great!

[b1aze]

Originally Posted by Kmp

That may be your initial thought, however, when it comes to the filter you are breathing though a 3" opening in the filter vs. a 2.25" opening in the filter. Also the larger diameter and length of the piping allows faster spool and less lag.

That still doesn't negate the fact that you have to pull through the 2.25" intake tubing. You could have 6" intakes and you still can't pull in any more air mass if you don't increase the 2.25" tubing. I think you are feeling a placebo.

[BMist371]

He already stated it was 3" tubing and cones. And there could be a chance that it isnt placebo since terry stated his intake works even though it draws in hotter air because there is more of it. So theoretically, 3" vs 2.25" is even more air. The question would really be if a solid 3" intake is indeed different at all since the dual 3" merges into a single 3" just like the dual 2.25" merges into a 3". I would think dual 2.25" should still supply as much as the 3" pipe it merges into can handle. Anyone know the stock charge pipe diameter?

[b1aze]

Originally Posted by BMist371

He already stated it was 3" tubing and cones. And there could be a chance that it isnt placebo since terry stated his intake works even though it draws in hotter air because there is more of it. So theoretically, 3" vs 2.25" is even more air. The question would really be if a solid 3" intake is indeed different at all since the dual 3" merges into a single 3" just like the dual 2.25" merges into a 3". I would think dual 2.25" should still supply as much as the 3" pipe it merges into can handle. Anyone know the stock charge pipe diameter?

Theorize with me here.

If you put a straw in a drink and sucked at a specific vacuum, you would get a measurable volume in over time.

Now put a funnel on the end of that straw, but keep the diameter of the straw the same and suck in at the same rate. Do you get more fluid in?

The fact that you aren't increasing the smallest ID of the tubing just means you can't pull in any more air than before, no matter the size of the filter you put on.

[Kämpä]

There will always be a bottleneck at the 2.25" plastic piping. Every kit will have that problem, however, it's a matter of making a intake kit that has the best breath ability before that 2.25" with the largest diameter and largest filter and coldest air, and I have done that with this intake.

[Kämpä]

Originally Posted by b1aze

Theorize with me here.

If you put a straw in a drink and sucked at a specific vacuum, you would get a measurable volume in over time.

Now put a funnel on the end of that straw, but keep the diameter of the straw the same and suck in at the same rate. Do you get more fluid in?

The fact that you aren't increasing the smallest ID of the tubing just means you can't pull in any more air than before, no matter the size of the filter you put on.

Your not thinking this through, let me help you.

Put a mesh filter over the straw and suck. Then put a mesh filter over the funnel and suck. You will be able to suck through the one with the funnel MUCH easier since where the mesh is has more surface area to breath through. It's all about the size of the opening in the filter not necessarily the diameter of the tubing. The full 3" on mine however is more beneficial than 2.25.

[b1aze]

Originally Posted by Kmp

There will always be a bottleneck at the 2.25" plastic piping. Every kit will have that problem, however, it's a matter of making a intake kit that has the best breath ability before that 2.25" with the largest diameter and largest filter and coldest air, and I have done that with this intake.

Prove that there is as measurable a power difference as your "HUGE difference" suggests and I could change my opinion. Until then, I don't think you know what you're talking about and it's just a placebo.

[Kämpä]

Originally Posted by b1aze

Prove that there is as measurable a power difference as your "HUGE difference" suggests and I could change my opinion. Until then, I don't think you know what you're talking about and it's just a placebo.

My background is in building 1000+whp E46 M3s and Supras. I do know a thing or two about designing and fabricating. I will try and get some numbers!

[BMist371]

Id love to see some numbers! Im all for better parts, but we could theorize for days until we see air flow charts and dynos. Because without something to ground the theory on, its really hard to wrap your head around definately!

[RnmEvo9]

Take it to the dragstrip and do a before and after instead.

[Basketcase]

How much? I love the looks!

[dkamp]

Originally Posted by b1aze

Prove that there is as measurable a power difference as your "HUGE difference" suggests and I could change my opinion. Until then, I don't think you know what you're talking about and it's just a placebo.

theoretically it is a superior design. As science would suggest. Plus it looks better. Id buy it. Looks like less kinks than injen (less friction and imposed drag), less heatsoak than BMS. Would like to see numbers! Plus I would think you'd get more responsiveness due to how air flow works (bernoulli's principle as shown above) maybe not a large HP gain, but faster spools due to a larger volume of air being pulled through.

shit above all else.. I support a member trying to help out the community with designs.